@bramzero Thank you! I appreciate you telling me honestly what you think about it! I like people who are either black or white cuz it's easier to understand what they think. Hheheheh[spoiler]I agree, this is why most Christians only talk about the popular opinions--how loving He is and all that and juicy and pretty and forgiving, but most of us are afraid to talk about His wrath because it's such an unpopular opinion that people will wince at the thought of it. And yes, you can definitely say that you dont believe in this "magic magic bullshit" to my face (you're not the only one who have done it hahahahha) because honestly, this is free will, man. And I was already expecting that kind of answer. Hahahaha. But since you have a few questions, I'll try to answer them with what I've learned so far. I'm just [i]answering[/i] your questions, okay? I'm not forcing my beliefs on you like a desperate religious juju. In the Bible, the word "Christian" came up for the very first time because the disciples mirrored Christ, and were following Christ. the bible isn't about being a christian, it's a long freakin story that describes jesus. This is interesting because the disciples themselves did NOT call themselves christians, it was because the people viewed them as 'followers of Christ' thats why they called them Christians. "...So it was that for a whole year they (the disciples) assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch." (Acts 11:26) And yeah, I already knew that. It goes back to the splitting of the church -- protestant and Roman catholic. The roman catholics view the Bible alongside with the Maccabees (a historical book that is very VERY similar to the events in the Bible). Theychanged it to the point that since the Maccabees has the purgatory, the Roman catholics even included purgatory in their Bible even if it wasnt even there originally. I agree lol anybody can twist it and build a church. why do you think I read the bible on my own? I may have pastors at church, but even pastors would twist the Bible today. I was wrong when I said it is a religion, but it's a personal relationship. I question everything and I find my answers on my own by reading this book on my own so I understand it. I criticize huge churches because it doesnt necessarily mean that they're successful and theyve won 'tRuE foLloWeRs'. It could also mean they're a cult or they dont question their pastor or they dont read their Bibles on their own. And I can name some pastors with big churches who I don't seriously agree with. People don't feel comfortable talking about God's wrath. I understand your point. If you read the previous chapters before you even got to the "kill them" verse, then you'll understand why He said that. like i said, it's dangerous if we take random verses out of context. God does things like that to show how much he HATES sin, how DISGUSTED he is with sin, how much he GRIEVED because people kept turning to sin. It's evident from the very beginning, he even kicked out adam and eve. He sent the flood to kill everybody except Noah's family. Wait wait wait, I thought God loved the people? Yes he loved them but He grieved and was saddened by what these people did to the point that He had to restart everything again. Genesis 6:5-6 "Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart." This is hard to understand. But just think about doing everything for someone, and that someone rejected you and betrayed you. And then you fall speechless and you cry and you're in disbelief and you hate that person saying "Screw this! forget you, guys. I'm leaving!" Just multiply this kind of pain to 10000000 Hahaha But still after He flooded the earth, He promised: Genesis 8:21 "...Then the Lord said in His heart, “I will never again curse the ground for man’s sake, although the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done." But even after he promised that, we really stupid people kept sinning again. You can see it in Sodom ad Gomorrah, in Jonah, in the people of egypt (God just kept sending them plague after plague). and even sending His own son to die (my mom wont even sacrifice me for the lives of others even if on some days she wished She did HAHAHAHAH). Yeah. Not everything is "magic magic," but yeah maybe "bullshit."[/spoiler] Sorrryyyyyy bram, I talk a lot

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