[quote=aya;#335699;1371317853]Why do people believe in God?[/quote] People believe in God because: a.) it runs in their family, something like a tradition passed on generation to generation. They believe because it is what their family and ancestors believe in. b.) there are people out there who wants Someone they can lean and depend on. Someone who would grant their requests, make them feel better, Someone who would give them hope, courage to face everyday's trials and sufferings. Because the truth is, some people have lost their belief in humanity, and thus hold onto Someone "divine and supreme and omnipotent." c.) some things in this world are unexplainable. This earth holds a lot of mysteries that our mind couldn't fathom. And so people believe that there is a God behind the mysteries of the Earth, the God who created the world and has the answers for everything. d.) they had their "calling". It's a phenomena where all of the sudden you just felt that God is there, that He really does work in mysterious ways. It just happens, mostly on the times when you least expect it. You wouldn't understand how it did happen, but you will just know that it is God working. e.) there are those people who experience good life despite the poverty and despair around them, and so they believe in God for giving them all the "blessings". There are many more reasons and I couldn't enumerate it all, but the main point is it's different for everyone. [quote=aya;#335892;1371393944]So basically, Born Again is the same as Catholic but the only difference is how they teach the word of the Lord. No offense, but it's like hmmm... how do I say this... It's like reading the same story, for example the classical story of Black Beauty (First story that I could think of lol) novel version and Black Beauty comic book version. Some people would like the comic book version better because of the visuals and of course other people would also prefer the novel version. Same story but different media. It's like, the comic version are the Born Again Christians and the novel version are the Christian Catholics. For me, the impression I got from Born Again Christians is that they needed to be taught about Jesus Christ on an elementary level coupled with songs and dances (or whatever activity that you do) in order for you to believe or listen to the teachings. For me, maybe because I'm a bit indifferent with religion, I think it's kind of ludicrous that people tries to branch out one religion that teaches the same thing but in slightly different ways (e.g. mormons, protestant, etc.)[/quote] Born Again Christianity and Catholicism have many difference. I'm a Born Again Christian, but I am studying right now in a Catholic school ran by the nuns. One time in our theo class, I realized that some doctrines do contrast. Yes, there are some differences in the way both religions preach, on how the Church service work, etc., but basically both religions do believe in one Christ only. There's just the classification thing because of the doctrines. Well, regarding the comic book thingy and your impression on Christians, I wouldn't deny that. I myself grew up on Sunday schools with picture books, visuals, etc. But the main point of such thing is for us to know well the Bible and we won't be clueless and ignorant on the Bible that our religion believes in. And it's more of a "planting then harvesting" process. We first start off in learning the Bible, then as we grow more on our faith, we start to harvest on the things we've learn. It's actually kind of hard to explain. But I get that idea that people do have that impression that being a Born Again Christian is just all "fun" with the music and visuals and blah blah blah without being serious at all. It's actually kinda true, but I'd like to think that we seem like we have fun because IT IS really fun serving Christ and the people around you. I can't explain everything because it would be a long topic, (plus I'm not good in English hahaha). But the bottomline is, really, RELIGION is just a LABEL. What really matters is your personal relationship with God, your beliefs and views. It depends on you if you want to believe or not. The Church doesn't literally pertain to the building itself, but to the people with one belief that stand together on their faith. And plus, religion separates each one of us at the first place. It's actually kind of sad.

[quote=aya;#335860;1371380369]Who should I talk to if I'm like this? [/quote] Hbu go to siquijor and find a spiritual guru or sth [quote=aya;#335892;1371393944]I think it's kind of ludicrous that people tries to branch out one religion that teaches the same thing but in slightly different ways (e.g. mormons, protestant, etc.)[/quote] What do you think about someone who created his own branch of church because he needed a justification to remarry? [quote=Pawws;#335879;1371391710]Yeah instead of arguing about this kind of things let's just chill and listen to The Script's Science And Faith lol[/quote] Which part of what I said is "arguing about this kind of things"?

[quote=aya;#336106;1371452520]Ah, ah. I'm scared of that place. Isn't that the place with [i]aswangs [/i]and [i]dwendes [/i]or sth. [/quote] Yeah maybe Can't confirm coz I've never been there [quote=aya;#336106;1371452520]Ridiculous? Absurd? Idk. Who are we talking about?[/quote] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England#Secession_from_Rome]In 1534 King Henry VIII separated the English Church from Rome[/url].

[quote=Pawws;#336119;1371463862]Yeah sorry, I never should've used that word in the first place. Forgive meh .___.[/quote] [quote=Pawws;#336119;1371463862]No offense but if you really want to find your place then you should start talking about this to people who could explain more about this to you, Aya.[/quote] Like who? I'm actually posting it coz perhaps someone might help me here. [quote=Pawws;#336119;1371463862]Hindi mo ba napapansin kapag like if you sin (e.g. lie, curse, etc), palaging may consequence or something bad happens? Just recently I lied about not going on my friend's father's funeral (cos it was very far) and my friends keep on convincing me to go with them. Then suddenly, after the call ended, my phone went black tapos ayun, di na siya nag-oopen until now. And I believe it's the making of God .______. And I repented after that cos I'm such a horrible friend. Ugggh. [/quote] Are you talking about Karma? Coz if you're talking about karma then that's Buddhism or Hinduism... An idea unsupported by the Bible. Just because your phone went black doesn't mean it was because you failed to attend a friend's father's funeral. [quote=Pawws;#336119;1371463862]Clearly, God loves you Aya and he's just waiting for you to come to him no matter what religion you prefer. Okay? Be confused no more. [/quote] Well that's weird. Because I thought if you do not believe in [i]the[/i] One God (other religion, like Hinduism have over 100 gods) then you will go to Hell. Or something like that. But that's a sweet notion and I'd like to think that it's like that. [quote=bramzero;#336115;1371457226]Yeah maybe Can't confirm coz I've never been there [/quote] Wanna go? Hey, have you heard about Mt. Banahaw? [quote=bramzero;#336115;1371457226]In 1534 King Henry VIII separated the English Church from Rome.[/quote] And we are talking about him because...?

[quote=aya;#336038;1371407854]Mmm... In a sense, I know why people believe in God. But how is it for you? Why do [i]you[/i] believe in God?[/quote] I believe in God because that's what my family believes in. I grew up, and I experienced things that somehow made me doubt if God do exist. But there was this one point in my life where I really felt hopeless and miserable, and I was giving up, but then God came to me with love. I can't really explain how it happened, but when it did, I knew it was God. I came to believe that God do exist because He didn't give up for me tho I was giving up on Him. Instead, He saved me. [quote]Don't get me wrong, I also studied in a Catholic school. And religion was taught to us with pictures too and wonderful stories, songs and such. But what I'm trying to say is, now that we've grown up do we still need that? Isn't that just for kids? Why do we have to convince others to join another religion because it's funner? I don't understand.[/quote] Ohh that actually depends on the Church, you see. In our case, we don't use picture books and the such anymore. It's for the kids. In our Church, the kids are separated from the adults and youth, and the older ones focus more on the "doctrine and words and readings". And convincing to join other religions because it's funner? No, not all Born Again Christians churches are like that. We don't convince others to join our Church because it's "funner". [quote]Do you really? Because if other Christians only care about serving Christ then why do other people needed to change to a religion that has activities of sorts?[/quote] I really do have fun in serving Christ. Some people think that being a Christian is all fun, that's why they go change religions but then they are really lacking faith. Sa totoo lang, may mga ganun din sa Church namin. But they don't last long because they get "bored" daw because it's serious [i]pala[/i]. Like the saying goes, first impressions do not last. But there are those kind of people too who really want to stay, and they realize sooner or later that being a Christian is not all "fun". They come to realize that, and they change their views on Christian churches and stay on the church. [quote]Shouldn't people who have a strong faith in God try to convince other people to believe in Him and not saying sth like "It's up to you"?[/quote] That's actually a common misconception. My grandfather, who is a Pastor, told us that we, the Christians should not force other people in our religion. God gave us freewill to believe on what we want to believe. In the end, it's still should be God working, not the Christians. God gave us the gift of freewill because He wants us to make the first move and come back to Him. So it really depends on you, on what would you want to believe in. [quote]It's funny that you should add that coz I knew that since gradeschool. [/quote] At least it's funny.

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[quote=oniongurl;#336150;1371471067]I can't really explain how it happened, but when it did, I knew it was God.[/quote] I envy you. I wish sth like that would happen to me, like "Ohhh this is God. Can't explain why but it's Him!" [quote=oniongurl;#336150;1371471067]We don't convince others to join our Church because it's "funner".[/quote] Ah sorry. It just seemed like that to me coz they'd tell me "[i]Mas masaya dito, sama ka na[/i]." [quote=oniongurl;#336150;1371471067]They come to realize that, and they change their views on Christian churches and stay on the church.[/quote] I see. [quote=oniongurl;#336150;1371471067]So it really depends on you, on what would you want to believe in.[/quote] and would God forgive you if you do [b]not[/b] choose to believe in Him? [quote=Pawws;#336164;1371475364]Yeah, maybe a priest or a pastor. They may not have all of the answers, but I hope they can be a great help. [/quote] I want to talk to someone higher. Like a bishop. [quote=Pawws;#336164;1371475364]But I believe it's God who did that because there are many times it happened in so many unexplainable ways.[/quote] I don't think He'd turn your phone's screen black. Ever consider that it's just coincidence? [quote=Pawws;#336164;1371475364]I want a happier crowd and still at the same time learn and value the same teachings.[/quote] I guess being with a happier crowd makes a lot of difference. I see.

[quote=bramzero;#336425;1371559796]Where's Mt. Banahaw[/quote] Google says it's between Laguna and Quezon. [quote=bramzero;#336425;1371559796]and what's in there? [/quote] Lots of people who are sensitive to the paranormal would often go to a pilgrimage to Mt. Banahaw and there are many reports of spirit/elemental sightings there. [i]Mt. Banahaw is "a psychic center where many go for spiritual meditations,� as written by ESP Travel and Tours, �(with) many features like waterfalls, caves, trees, springs, and other sites are attributed to spiritual beings�[/i] I prolly would be too scared to go coz I'm contented with my 3rd eye closed. It might open if I go to any spiritual places or sth and I to be honest, I don't wanna see weird stuffs. [quote=bramzero;#336425;1371559796]Because you think it's ludicrous/ridiculous/absurd that people try to branch out a religion, but it's actually quite common and not that weird. People do that out of their own motives. Even the early Catholic church branched out of Judaism.[/quote] I see... You still haven't told me yet if you believe in God.

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[quote=aya;#336553;1371626064]Lots of people who are sensitive to the paranormal would often go to a pilgrimage to Mt. Banahaw and there are many reports of spirit/elemental sightings there. [i]Mt. Banahaw is "a psychic center where many go for spiritual meditations,� as written by ESP Travel and Tours, �(with) many features like waterfalls, caves, trees, springs, and other sites are attributed to spiritual beings�[/i] I prolly would be too scared to go coz I'm contented with my 3rd eye closed. It might open if I go to any spiritual places or sth and I to be honest, I don't wanna see weird stuffs. [/quote] I've only been to places some people said are haunted, like old houses/buildings but never seen any weird there. Going to a mountain requires more effort and I want to do that maybe with an experienced hiking partner or in a group. [quote=aya;#336553;1371626064]You still haven't told me yet if you believe in God.[/quote] The ultimate creator? Or some aliens from another galaxy who created us in their labs? I don't believe in unproven theories and speculation.

if you want to see people argue, make them discuss opposing views about religion i am going to take time reading the posts between aya, Pawws, and bramzero later I believe in God. I believe that Jesus died to save us from our sins. I believe that the most important thing to do for others is treat them the way you'd want to be treated. That's pretty much it. And about this: [quote=bubblegum;#336560;1371628746][quote=aya;#335860;1371380369]Who should I talk to if I'm like this? I've always been wondering how I could fix my Faith coz it really sucks. [b]Is there something wrong with me?[/b][/quote] yes[/quote] No there's nothing wrong with aya.

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[quote=Tres;#337383;1371970898]No there's nothing wrong with aya[/quote] [quote=bubblegum;#337459;1372037495]That's your opinion and it's different from mine.[/quote] Yes, yes. Please argue over me. loljk.