[quote=Tres;#340229;1373417055]it doesn't sound the same to me! #1 is pure evil like you mentioned; the ones who have the instinct to make a guy suffer #3 is just plain.. landi.[/quote] But it really sounds the same to me! I mean, you said so yourself, #1 means "the cat and mouse chase" wherein the girl acts "coy" as you put it. Isn't that like #3? Because acting coy is under [i]lampungan[/i] or sth. HAHAHAHA. [quote=Tres;#340229;1373417055]What I meant by #2 was, for example okay Girl likes Guy. Guy woos Girl. Girl sees Guy's effort. But Guy has history of third parties or anything of that sort. What is Girl going to do? She already likes the guy, but she's pretending she isn't because she doesn't wanna admit that she likes a guy with that history [/quote] Say for example, you're this guy who had a history of two timing. The girl you like knows of your philandering activities and refuses to admit that she loves you because of that. Would you really consider that as someone who's [i]playing[/i] hard to get? [quote=Tres;#340229;1373417055]I don't use friendship with a girl to my advantage; thus the "pursue before get-to-know" thing and that's why I tried to make this point:[/quote] I think we're going around in circles here? HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA Anyway, if you were aware that you might actually be wooing the wrong girl, why is it your [i]diskarte[/i] [b]was[/b] "pursue before geting to know the girl"? (O there, past tense [i]na[/i] HAHAHAHA) [quote=Tres;#340229;1373417055]The not sure part happens when.. the guy's a few days into the courtship. When he's starting to see the girl's traits he doesn't like. [/quote] Are you saying,you're one of those guys who court girls because of their looks? And then when you realize she's a bitch you go, " Oopsy. Wrong girl". Earlier I said "And just a few posts back you were saying sth like you're not even sure if you really want the prize?" What I meant by that was "it was the wrong girl, would you still call it a prize?" Er.. but I'm guessing you'd say yes because: v v v [quote=Tres;#340229;1373417055]"Flirt and win the prize" is the initial goal. This is the first impression, the motivation guys (not all of us though) use to drive them into wooing the girl. Don't you know any guy in real life who woo just so they can have a girlfriend they can flaunt to their friends?[/quote] I'm going back to the girls team. You guys are evil too. [hr][hr][hr] [b]New question:[/b] How long do you guys wait before push the idea of having sex for the first time to your girlfriend?